NFL Draft Watch: King says Winston ’10 times’ the prospect Mariota is
The conversation will only grow over the next six months. So let’s start it early.
You’re a quarterback-needy team and your choice is this: Florida State’s Jameis Winston or Oregon’s Marcus Mariota.
On the surface, it appears easy. Winston has trouble written all over him, with off-the-field problems galore, and Mariota, the clean-record and clean-throwing (zero interceptions in 188 passes this season) quarterback, is the obvious choice.
Right?
It’s not that clear-cut. Not at all.
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If we are to boil the players down simply to football talent and quarterbacking potential on the next level, putting the dreaded character element to the side for now, Winston — not Mariota — might be the more enticing prospect.
So says former NFL quarterback and Yahoo NFL analyst Shaun King. I asked King to ignore character completely and strictly grade each player on their talent and NFL upside.
“In my opinion, if I am grading them, Winston is 10 times the prospect Mariota is,” King said.
What, then, makes Winston so special?
“Physically, he has great size — 6-4, very sturdy build. Built like a pro prospect. Big-time arm — can make all the throws. Great intangibles. Winner. Big-time, big-platform résumé.
“He plays his best on the brightest stages. Last year in the Clemson game, the second half of the national title game, this year’s Notre Dame game. Early in the season, second half against [Oklahoma State], he always plays his best in those moments. He just has a knack for it.”
Not that King is completely down on Mariota. There’s a lot to like, he says.
“I think he has elite athleticism,” King said. “Whereas Winston has great athleticism for a guy his size, Mariota has elite athleticism. He has a good arm; he doesn’t have as big an arm as Winston. He has good size. He’s tall. He’s smart, too.”
King is careful not to make too deep a character assessment on either player but says you can tell a lot about their personalities based on the way they play.
“The difference between the two … Winston is a football player. He rises to the occasion. He has that emotion in a player that you’re looking for,” King said. “That’s a question about Mariota, as is him playing his best when the lights are brightest.
“The difference in their personalities comes through in how they play. Mariota is really laid back. He plays like that. At some point, I think in football I think you have to be ratcheted up a little bit. I’ve never seen him call out one of his teammates for messing up. Winston is the polar opposite.”
I suggest a Winston comparison of Ben Roethlisberger and a Mariota comparison of Alex Smith, or perhaps a slightly better-running version of Smith. King agrees on both — to a certain extent — but says he thinks he knows whose personality Mariota is most similar to.
“See, I think Mariota, personality-wise, is like Joe Flacco. He has a really laid-back off-field demeanor,” King said.
And as for Winston …
“Yeah, [Winston is] a special athlete, but he’s Big Ben special not RG3 special. For a big guy, he’s a great athlete. He’s got a lot of Big Ben to him. Gets out of a lot of sacks. He’ll pick up a first down [with his legs].”
In terms of temperament and being prone to extend plays, even when that’s not the best idea, the Roethlisberger also works for King.
“Absolutely,” King said. “In my opinion, that would be one weakness right now. He’s overaggressive at times. There are some inconsistencies in his decision-making. But you’ll take that. A lot of great ones have that.”
Winston is a pro-style quarterback, King said, and Mariota still has not shown that in his mind.
“I do think there are some question marks about [whether] can Mariota adapt to a different system,” King said. “If I was a team that was really interested in him, I would have to be convinced that he can come from under center, take five- and seven-step drops, and can throw an NFL route tree.
“Winston makes those NFL-type passes. Mariota doesn’t. He throws a lot of screens. He throws a lot of gimmicky stuff with guys running wide open because of their tempo. The windows Mariota is throwing into are nowhere near as tight as the ones Winston is throwing into.”
And yet, there still remains the daunting character issue, which could be a game-changer. There will be no dirt on Mariota, unless people nitpick with his laid-back style. As for Winston, it’s not going to be pretty — from his sexual assault allegations to bouts of immaturity with suspensions at Florida State.
King says that could be a game-changing factor for their draft stocks. But in his mind, there isn’t enough dirt that he knows of to knock Winston down too far next spring. King’s belief: Teams will be enamored with his special talent.
“If you’re asking will it affect him with some teams? Absolutely. Do I think he falls outside the top 10? Absolutely not,” King said. “Would it impact me if I was making that decision? No, I’d take him No. 1.”
Way-too-early look at the top 10 picks for the 2015 draft
Draft order based off the inverse of the Shutdown Corner Week 8 power rankings.
1. Oakland Raiders — Texas A&M OT Cedric Ogbuehi
They have a host of needs, and we have no idea what direction the franchise is going. A lot could depend on the new head coach, but we feel that Derek Carr has franchise potential. Even though other needs might be more pressing, we’ll project the building block Ogbuehi here for now.
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Florida State QB Jameis Winston
Oh, boy. Yeah, we know there are about a million and one questions that will need to be answered before this happens, and honestly the four-hour drive from Tampa to Tallahassee might even be a negative in itself. Some feel Jameis — among other things — needs to be far away from FSU. But his guts and playmaking ability might be too tempting for the struggling Bucs, who have won 16 games since the start of the 2011 season, to overlook.
3. Jacksonville Jaguars — USC DT-DE Leonard Williams
This almost feels like too good a fit. Chris Clemons is inconsistent, Tyson Alualu might never develop as hoped, and Red Bryant is just a placeholder. Williams, who grew up just down the road in Daytona Beach, would be a multi-positional fix to help upgrade Gus Bradley’s defense that still needs a lot of work. Their offensive needs can be addressed later on.
4. Tennessee Titans — Oregon QB Marcus Mariota
Suck for the Duck? That could be arranged. Ken Whisenhunt needs hope at quarterback, and Jake Locker quickly is running out of time to prove he’s the guy. Mariota’s accuracy, poise and athleticism could be a nice fit for the Titans, who also happen to need an identity and an offensive lift.
5. Washington Redskins — Iowa OT Brandon Scherff
Right tackle has been a blight all season, and Scherff could be a country-strong fit there and a possible long-term replacement for Trent Williams, whose contract runs out after the 2015 season, at left tackle. Jay Gruden prefers bigger linemen, and Scherff is 6-5, 315 pounds and can power clean a house.
6. Atlanta Falcons — Missouri OLB-DE Shane Ray
What the Falcons need most are defensive playmakers — anyone, really, who can rush the passer and/or dislodge the football. That’s Ray’s calling card. He’s an ultra-athletic college end (who also can rush from the inside) with disruption skills and incredible burst. If he puts on a show athletically in the run-up to the draft, some teams will project the 6-3, 248-pound Ray to rush linebacker, which is where he’d fit in the Falcons’ scheme.
7. New York Jets — Alabama WR Amari Cooper
Imagine a pass-catching group of Eric Decker, Percy Harvin (maybe), Jace Amaro, Jeremy Kerley and Cooper, along with a strong run game, and suddenly the Jets’ offense doesn’t seem so feckless. The team needs to surround quarterback Geno Smith with even more dynamic offensive talent in order to determine if he’s the one who can lead this team. Cooper is college football’s most consistent playmaker (not named Kevin White).
8. Minnesota Vikings — Georgia RB Todd Gurley
Exit Adrian Peterson, enter Gurley. Sure, Gurley’s record was marred slightly by the autograph suspension, but it’s shouldn’t hurt his draft value any. And with the Vikings appearing to move on from Peterson, another big-framed runner is needed. Jerick McKinnon is great as a change-of-pace option, but Matt Asiata is too one-dimensional to ever be the bell-cow back. Mike Zimmer would love to pound the rock, control the ball and set up play-action passing for Teddy Bridgewater.
9. New York Giants — Nebraska DE Randy Gregory
The Giants never turn down good pass rushers. With Jason Pierre-Paul under contract only through 2015, and Mathias Kiwanuka set to make an unwieldy $7.5 million next season, more youth up front is needed. Gregory is a perfect fit in the JPP mold, with an angular build and a quick first step.
10. St. Louis Rams — Michigan State QB Connor Cook
The Rams might actually have something with Austin Davis, who is starting to play some solid football, but — assuming they cut ties with Sam Bradford — it would be hard to imagine the team not investing in a future alternative. Cook would make a lot of sense. Davis could go into next season as the starter, and Cook (if he declares, of course) would have ample time to develop. He needs it; for every brilliant, NFL-caliber throw he makes, there is a maddeningly bad play to match. Still, quarterbacks with his skill set don’t tend to last very long in the draft.
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Eric Edholm is a writer for Shutdown Corner on Yahoo Sports. Have a tip? Email him at [email protected] or follow him on Twitter! Follow @Eric_Edholm
